{"id":801,"date":"2009-08-17T14:04:02","date_gmt":"2009-08-17T21:04:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/?p=801"},"modified":"2009-08-17T14:04:02","modified_gmt":"2009-08-17T21:04:02","slug":"can-we-start-here","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/2009\/08\/can-we-start-here\/","title":{"rendered":"Can we start here?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I keep hearing about people trying to shout down health care discussions- and most of the shouters don&#8217;t appear to understand what they are talking about. Can we start with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2009\/08\/17\/opinion\/17krugman.html\">this article by Paul Krugman<\/a> and work from there?<\/p>\n<p>A friend sent me\u00a0 a link to <a href=\"http:\/\/frwebgate.access.gpo.gov\/cgi-bin\/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf\">HR3200<\/a> (all 1017 pages) and to a short <a href=\"http:\/\/waysandmeans.house.gov\/media\/pdf\/111\/sbys3200.pdf\">35 page summary of the bill<\/a> (more of a short explanation of each section). Or is it fair to get into a complicated discussion with an informed base?<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t see anything on &#8216;death panels&#8217; in the bill, but maybe I don&#8217;t know the right codewords to read it correctly &#8211; could:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A BILL To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>be the sinister code words we are looking for? What are those &#8216;other purposes&#8217;? Oh, they appear to be revising the tax code, providing credits for small businesses, and improving Medicare and Medicaid.<\/p>\n<p>I think I found the sinister part that\u00a0 is so disturbing the American Citizenry :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The bill would prevent foreign multinational corporations incorporated in tax haven countries from avoiding tax on income earned in the United States by routing their income through structures in which a United States subsidiary of the foreign multinational corporation makes a deductible payment to a country with which the United States has a tax treaty before ultimately repatriating these earning in the tax haven country. <em>(from section 451 of the explanation)<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yes, this is decidedly sinister.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I keep hearing about people trying to shout down health care discussions- and most of the shouters don&#8217;t appear to understand what they are talking about. Can we start with this article by Paul Krugman and work from there? A friend sent me\u00a0 a link to HR3200 (all 1017 pages) and to a short 35 &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/2009\/08\/can-we-start-here\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Can we start here?<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[4,12,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-801","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-economics","category-politics","category-preparing-for-the-worst"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4NpF-cV","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/801","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=801"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/801\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":802,"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/801\/revisions\/802"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=801"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=801"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stardel.com\/eg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=801"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}